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  • reyoflight
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    It is well known that the mini client is having issues, and especially in any pvp situation, be it CSSB or be it 3vs3, hopefully a fix will be out before we're forced to use the mini client to even play the game. As for the appearance in mini client, I personally find everything to be too small on the screen when running in mini client compared to when I run the game in a normal browser. As someone with nearsightedness and astigmatism the very small text in the chat box in mini client can become a problem even though I'm close to my screen, all while the same distance to screen is fine in Chrome or Opera. I know for a fact that Incursion had the same issue with tiny text in chat in the very beginning but it was resolved after some time, and I'm hoping they'll do the same with mini client along with having more options for the resolutions in there so people can adapt the game better to their screens.

    As of right now though, if you want to minimize the risk of game crashing during 3vs3, play in a normal browser for now.

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  • mackjone
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    IS there an approach to make it so smaller than normal customer doesnt go clear screen while doing 3v3. So far it has done it twice during this round

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  • 16761828211
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    Originally posted by kuduzu View Post

    At this point, you get my apologies.

    However, their way of dealing with criticism is not okay either.
    When somebody says "But" or "However" after making a statement or an apology it does not mean anything because they are making a statement which takes back their first statement.

    My past is not so, informative. My first contact with a PC, or should I say pre 1980 laptop/huge box, power supply and keyboard with green screen, was programming in Pascal. I at a young age was programming Bosh control units for multi tool CNC machines which used paper tapes and punch cards, so 1984 was a little late for me, think I was still programming CNC machins then. Never bothered to do anything after that as computers were not worth anything then as they were just a tool. I have qualifications in a few things but I tend to build PC's so much easier and more money if people are willing to pay out for something worth every penny. I miss my good old CNC multi tool programming, but it is so much easier now, but back then, as you would have known, everything was on a large disk, if you had one at all, and high level language was a pain to learn.

    [QUOTE=kuduzu;n138640]
    Your statements regarding the resolution are unacceptable, why?
    Because I am talking about the fact that a full screen in 3840x2140 has still not been planned in analogy to FB Gameroom.
    Neither are there any updates from Flash until the end of the year.
    Whether I play the game on my 15 "laptop screen or on a 65" (145 cm) TV screen (both are 4K display) 3840x2140 are not 1980x1020!
    This is tolerable on the TV, but absolutely not on the laptop!

    You asked if I could provide you with a screenshot in the resolution which you require, which I did and with 3 clients all running. You did not specify the screens actual size or what you run on, for which you cannot attack me for when I show you my results, but I did notice you have forgotten about dragging out the edge to make the screen bigger, but if you play on a 15 " laptop then you will have issue with the client as there is no Zoom feature which we have been asking for since they brought out the program.


    Originally posted by kuduzu View Post
    You forgot who funded this! People like me who have financed this with a good € 30,000 in the last 5 years. So as they say in Germany "keep the ball flat" In other words:
    WITHOUT US!!! No JOB for you.
    Whether you like your colleagues or not is not relevant.

    I had already apologized
    Again I really do not care what you spend your money on, not a penny has gone to me or the people I work with on the forum or in game. You keep spending that's up to you.

    Originally posted by kuduzu View Post
    So if the developers present the problem and GS pays these people to provide a service that is obviously not being performed, even though you and committed users keep pointing out, then both of us should be clear that someone is not doing their job .
    It may be that we as end users do not know all the details.
    But when I buy a product, it should work perfectly.
    Otherwise I change the provider and the product.
    With the beginning of the new year you will find that if the problems are not solved, a number of developers are no longer needed because nobody wants the product anymore, because it is unplayable.

    Just going to highlight where you go wrong
    First statement in RED. The developers run the game not GS. NGames are the Developers, Support, and everything behind the doors. I am not going to go into the difficulties.

    Statement in Blue. As a computer programmer and computer ACE as you stated you should know this, when purchasing items for a game, you do not buy the game just the pixels on the screen. you own only the data stored in your account, and in the west you have a right for that data to be sent to you at your cost, however your talking china, you own nothing, read up on copy right law and state privacy.

    In Green: This is a foolish statement because if the developers were not doing anything then why are they trying to fix things in the game still. Getting a second page of debris didn't just happen somebody had to do the coding for it no matter how easy or hard it was. again if you think the staff are not working that's up to you.

    Originally posted by kuduzu View Post
    If the Micro Client in the 3v3 or the CSSS smears twice in critical situations, then this is a) frustrating and b) leads to no more top-ups or the purchase of monthly passes.
    Then as a company you have to be told that the developers are not well qualified and therefore overpaid.

    Anyway, I consider the war with you to be over.
    Basically we both want the same thing.

    In this sense
    A nice day
    If you click on the Edge of the client it will make the window bigger without using full screen, and it is better. If you read up I am not against you or at war with you, which is strange because if I was you would know about it. I and others here have been reasonable with everybody, we haven't jumped the gun without facts, we haven't made personal attacks on people who are not here to read whats been said, and unlike some which would have attacked you from the start there was no war to win as that in itself states a war was raging.

    We, on this forum, want to see more improvements to the client. Its going to take a lot of people to get them to understand what we are asking for. I hate playing 3v3 due to the crashing but I have to play using the client so I can record who its crashing with, what ships are in use, both sides, and how its effecting everybody. I am not doing this for myself but for all the players. I get no pay for it, and it is testing. I would love others to start doing the same and reporting the problems on the forum where it asks for feedback.

    If one thing comes out of this, I would like people in the German forum to help with this issue. We all need to say, "this needs fixing or people will leave."

    Its a new day and we will all be happy once it gets fixed.

    Keep an eye on this forum for posts asking for changes.

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  • kuduzu
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    Originally posted by 45914879307 View Post

    Kuduzu, I did not say Mantis was not a mod. I said he was not a paid moderator. He is not paid for his services and is not an employee of NGames. GameSamba is the publisher of Star Trek: Alien Domain and Star Trek: Alien Domain- Incursion but not the developer.
    I got that

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  • kuduzu
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    Originally posted by 16761828211 View Post

    To clear up your idea of a Moderator. A Moderator is a unpaid (unlike Admin or member of staff) that looks after the daily business of the forum. A Moderator is there to Monitor the behaviour of the people that use the forum. A Moderator is their to try and help players/people with answers "If they can do so". If a Moderator wants to take action to help a player/person on the forum they do it off their own backs. They do not have special contact with Developers, or a special relationship with staff, that is not their job.
    Super Moderators can ban players for bad behaviour, and attitudes which break forum rules. No and I am not from the US and so are a few other Moderators.

    We the Moderators do a good job and I tend to ban a lot of spammers every day because other moderators are doing their jobs. You have your opinions about Moderators which are your opinions, but do not get on the wrong side of a Moderator because some of us do a great job.
    At this point, you get my apologies.

    However, their way of dealing with criticism is not okay either.

    Your statements regarding the resolution are unacceptable, why?
    Because I am talking about the fact that a full screen in 3840x2140 has still not been planned in analogy to FB Gameroom.
    Neither are there any updates from Flash until the end of the year.
    Whether I play the game on my 15 "laptop screen or on a 65" (145 cm) TV screen (both are 4K display) 3840x2140 are not 1980x1020!
    This is tolerable on the TV, but absolutely not on the laptop!
    Regarding my PC skills:
    I programmed in Basic in 1983, I configured IT systems for companies and set up networks for companies. I did the function of a system administrator for companies, I was a Microsoft OEM dealer, I did the beta tester for MSN. I know what I can do without a graphical user interface. I have more than enough experience to criticize the development team. I don't need a forum to complain about, I see it as an information collection point for the developers.
    So if you only see your job in people taking measures for alleged insults and violations of netiquette then that would not be enough for me. I am also no less committed than helping fellow players with questions. I don't need a super moderator with a blocking function, but empathy.

    And here is a screenshot, I hope you do not feel foolish now.
    Did YOU mean to insult me?
    What do the rules say?
    Or should you apologize now too?

    I would have expected people to understand what they say affects the perception they give to others. You are calling men and women names which I deem offensive and I will give you one chance to apologise or action will be taken. That kind of manliness may be the mark of a German, but this is not Germany. The Ladies I have worked with over the last 5 years have done a lot for this game which people like you forget. Nobody has sat on their hands otherwise you would not have the game as it is, or Incursion
    You forgot who funded this! People like me who have financed this with a good € 30,000 in the last 5 years. So as they say in Germany "keep the ball flat" In other words:
    WITHOUT US!!! No JOB for you.
    Whether you like your colleagues or not is not relevant.

    I had already apologized

    I am not arguing with this point and thats why some of us, and thats the "US" that have been telling them for years, for me 5 years, that something has to change. I will also point out that GS are not the driving force behind the game it is the developers. "WE" have asked for a wider boarder around the mini client, which still has not happened. That boarder would help people like you drag the size of the screen out to a better size. "WE" have asked for a Zoom, still nothing, "WE" have asked that the crashs get fixed as it can be, for most, it is unplayable.

    The things we got into the game out weights what was kept out. You wouldn't have ships which can be Ranked up, you wouldn't have spar crystals, you wouldn't have officers, you wouldn't have had other bosses, including squadron stuff. the list is endless, oh and if you play Incursion, you wouldn't have had the Borg, which should have been in this game. There are so many things we got, or little changes you do not know about, a lot of people did a lot of work without reward.
    Thanks for explaining.

    At this point, sorry again

    So if the developers present the problem and GS pays these people to provide a service that is obviously not being performed, even though you and committed users keep pointing out, then both of us should be clear that someone is not doing their job .
    It may be that we as end users do not know all the details.
    But when I buy a product, it should work perfectly.
    Otherwise I change the provider and the product.
    With the beginning of the new year you will find that if the problems are not solved, a number of developers are no longer needed because nobody wants the product anymore, because it is unplayable.
    If the Micro Client in the 3v3 or the CSSS smears twice in critical situations, then this is a) frustrating and b) leads to no more top-ups or the purchase of monthly passes.
    Then as a company you have to be told that the developers are not well qualified and therefore overpaid.

    Anyway, I consider the war with you to be over.
    Basically we both want the same thing.

    In this sense
    A nice day

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  • 16761828211
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    Originally posted by kuduzu View Post

    okay Mantis is Mod. that`s matter of fact. Our german forum was the channel to talk to the tech team.. The Mod.is the person that can collect the info whats wrong or not working. And his job included in my opinion the deliver of feedback. If People break the rules ( hate speech for example) it is okay to warn and maybe block if they do it again. He has even to tolerate that he could be invited to do his job a) correct b)better and c) with respect . I´ve heard in our german forum things that doesnot match these points! Europe is not the US! Maybe here are people who tolerate such things ... we do not tolerate this . The US are not the middle of Earth!
    To clear up your idea of a Moderator. A Moderator is a unpaid (unlike Admin or member of staff) that looks after the daily business of the forum. A Moderator is there to Monitor the behaviour of the people that use the forum. A Moderator is their to try and help players/people with answers "If they can do so". If a Moderator wants to take action to help a player/person on the forum they do it off their own backs. They do not have special contact with Developers, or a special relationship with staff, that is not their job.
    Super Moderators can ban players for bad behaviour, and attitudes which break forum rules. No and I am not from the US and so are a few other Moderators.

    We the Moderators do a good job and I tend to ban a lot of spammers every day because other moderators are doing their jobs. You have your opinions about Moderators which are your opinions, but do not get on the wrong side of a Moderator because some of us do a great job.

    Originally posted by kuduzu View Post


    Okay..show me pictures in the resolution of 3840x2160 that improve the Client worksin Fullpicture Mode..On my screen it is so tiny i can`t read the letters of the Login Screen.
    And i can show you the picture here:


    res04_1.jpg
    res05_1.jpg
    Now its your turn
    Question What size is your Monitor? 32" (81cm)

    I am using a 43" (109cm) monitor, but still I can stretch out 3 to their max size and still have enough room for another.
    4k.jpg
    Go to the EDGE of the screen and drag it out into a frame which is about 1920x1080 size and yes it can be done. This will make the screen bigger. There is no current Zoom, but we, the moderators, have with other asked for a zoom to be added.

    And here is a screenshot, I hope you do not feel foolish now.



    Originally posted by kuduzu View Post

    You ask which Linus system.. Debian ( Ubuntu is a derivate ) or Redhat are very similar ... Suse Linux is what works fine and is simlar to the Window World ,maybe you don´t know it
    You can find it here :https://www.suse.com/de-de/

    I keep myself informed so i play Incursion.
    The Level 100 would be nice to see and the opening of the 25Sector too...

    You say "someof us"... have been working for Month to fix ? Sorry not impressed..The Results are not good,not well.. they are more the Result of Alchemistry.That Group that work for years hasmabe more time spend in parks and looking upskirtson Boobs than do their job. Adobe has Annonced the End of flash in 2016? 4 Years of loosing time to take the Game on a platform that can be used till 2030...(HTML5) If I am like Trump ( I don´t like him) ..i would say you are all fired.. because you don´t have done the job.
    I would have expected people to understand what they say affects the perception they give to others. You are calling men and women names which I deem offensive and I will give you one chance to apologise or action will be taken. That kind of manliness may be the mark of a German, but this is not Germany. The Ladies I have worked with over the last 5 years have done a lot for this game which people like you forget. Nobody has sat on their hands otherwise you would not have the game as it is, or Incursion.

    I do not need to say more on that as I expect to see the above offensive statement corrected.

    As for all of the Unix systems you have talked about you forgot that Mac is also Unix based. Linux was named after the man, as you should know. As Linus, Unix, based software, O/S systems are not exactly the same, different in small ways, which you would know if you were actually up to date with how they work, then you will know that Unix is 1,000,000 times bettwe than Windows, and have just over 1,000,000 viruses, unlike the close to 1 Bil Windows has. Also, when using Unix not all software works on all Unix systems due to the open source code. Now I know all of the ones, even the old Redhat. There are some really good new versions which can and do run off pen drives, for which I have some. Windows is only ever good because if you want to play any games its available on windows, and if you want drivers for these wonderful Graphics cards, you have to run windows. Not all Graphics cards come with drivers for Linux, or any Unix based system. When I started playing with high level languages computer programming you had a choice of 1 & 0 or some that most people would never have known, and punch cards were your hard drives.

    Originally posted by kuduzu View Post
    NO ! it is less time and to believe that a loss of 50% is motivation enough... GameSamba lost more than 50% Pay-User in the last 12 month because of the unsure future.
    I believe that more than 75% of the actually User will quit the Game if they don`t have a good solution until Christmas..
    I am not arguing with this point and thats why some of us, and thats the "US" that have been telling them for years, for me 5 years, that something has to change. I will also point out that GS are not the driving force behind the game it is the developers. "WE" have asked for a wider boarder around the mini client, which still has not happened. That boarder would help people like you drag the size of the screen out to a better size. "WE" have asked for a Zoom, still nothing, "WE" have asked that the crashs get fixed as it can be, for most, it is unplayable.

    The things we got into the game out weights what was kept out. You wouldn't have ships which can be Ranked up, you wouldn't have spar crystals, you wouldn't have officers, you wouldn't have had other bosses, including squadron stuff. the list is endless, oh and if you play Incursion, you wouldn't have had the Borg, which should have been in this game. There are so many things we got, or little changes you do not know about, a lot of people did a lot of work without reward.

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  • 45914879307
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    Originally posted by kuduzu View Post

    Sorry Honey.. the french would say you are silly,they don`t speak english ,neither german... Ignorance and arrogance is to believe that everbody has to speak in English or American english .. Did you speak another language than English?
    No.. than try to learn ..
    This is not about ignorance and arrogance. Around the world, English is the language of trade and commerce. It is not about not wanting to learn another language.

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  • 45914879307
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    Originally posted by kuduzu View Post

    okay Mantis is Mod. that`s matter of fact. Our german forum was the channel to talk to the tech team.. The Mod.is the person that can collect the info whats wrong or not working. And his job included in my opinion the deliver of feedback. If People break the rules ( hate speech for example) it is okay to warn and maybe block if they do it again. He has even to tolerate that he could be invited to do his job a) correct b)better and c) with respect . I´ve heard in our german forum things that doesnot match these points! Europe is not the US! Maybe here are people who tolerate such things ... we do not tolerate this . The US are not the middle of Earth!
    Kuduzu, I did not say Mantis was not a mod. I said he was not a paid moderator. He is not paid for his services and is not an employee of NGames. GameSamba is the publisher of Star Trek: Alien Domain and Star Trek: Alien Domain- Incursion but not the developer.
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  • kuduzu
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    Originally posted by 16761828211 View Post



    Which Linus system would you make a client for? I could understand if you are talking Unix based system, but which one as they are not all the same, which will case some problems. Do you make it open source like most Unix based system, licence based or something else? I would love to see it on Ubuntu or some of the other well known and better systems, but which do you refer, and why should it be there?

    I personally do not play incursion myself, and I said from the start it would not replace this game. But we can see from the numbers that neither games are hits now because of the lack of movement. I want to see level 100 come, and it should have by now but it has not. You just like hundreds of others are not happy.

    As for banning people on the forum I will say this just the once. I love my job. I will ban spammers, rule breakers and those that abuse the company or other members of staff. I personally look at the rules and give those who break them a simple warning after that infractions are used. People have freedom of speech as long as it is within the law, and the rules of the forum. If you or others do not think those rules and laws apply then I think, as I am allowed to think it, should read the rules and work within them.

    Some of us have been working for more than 3 months trying to get things fixed, some of us have been working years to get things fixed, so 3 months is nothing. We have just a few months left before the end of the year so if they do nothing they lose 50% of their customers instantly, I think that is motivation enough.
    You ask which Linus system.. Debian ( Ubuntu is a derivate ) or Redhat are very similar ... Suse Linux is what works fine and is simlar to the Window World ,maybe you don´t know it
    You can find it here :https://www.suse.com/de-de/

    I keep myself informed so i play Incursion.
    The Level 100 would be nice to see and the opening of the 25Sector too...

    You say "someof us"... have been working for Month to fix ? Sorry not impressed..The Results are not good,not well.. they are more the Result of Alchemistry.That Group that work for years hasmabe more time spend in parks and looking upskirtson Boobs than do their job. Adobe has Annonced the End of flash in 2016? 4 Years of loosing time to take the Game on a platform that can be used till 2030...(HTML5) If I am like Trump ( I don´t like him) ..i would say you are all fired.. because you don´t have done the job.

    We have just a few months left before the end of the year so if they do nothing they lose 50% of their customers instantly, I think that is motivation enough.
    NO ! it is less time and to believe that a loss of 50% is motivation enough... GameSamba lost more than 50% Pay-User in the last 12 month because of the unsure future.
    I believe that more than 75% of the actually User will quit the Game if they don`t have a good solution until Christmas..

    At this point I was informed by Mantis that people can feel attacked.
    THIS is not my intention!
    I apologize for this, but the content of the statement is correct.
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  • kuduzu
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    Originally posted by 16761828211 View Post

    As English is a standard language used worldwide, (
    some would think its American, but really.
    Sorry Honey.. the french would say you are silly,they don`t speak english ,neither german... Ignorance and arrogance is to believe that everbody has to speak in English or American english .. Did you speak another language than English?
    No.. than try to learn ..

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  • kuduzu
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    Originally posted by 16761828211 View Post

    I have a 4k monitor and do not have to change anything to use the Mini Client, oh and 8k is already out, so your point is? As English is a standard language used worldwide, some would think its American, but really.
    Okay..show me pictures in the resolution of 3840x2160 that improve the Client worksin Fullpicture Mode..On my screen it is so tiny i can`t read the letters of the Login Screen.
    And i can show you the picture here:


    res04_1.jpg
    res05_1.jpg
    Now its your turn
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  • kuduzu
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    Originally posted by 45914879307 View Post

    Mantis is not a paid moderator. People are banned from the forum for breaking forum rules and that is the only reason.
    okay Mantis is Mod. that`s matter of fact. Our german forum was the channel to talk to the tech team.. The Mod.is the person that can collect the info whats wrong or not working. And his job included in my opinion the deliver of feedback. If People break the rules ( hate speech for example) it is okay to warn and maybe block if they do it again. He has even to tolerate that he could be invited to do his job a) correct b)better and c) with respect . I´ve heard in our german forum things that doesnot match these points! Europe is not the US! Maybe here are people who tolerate such things ... we do not tolerate this . The US are not the middle of Earth!

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  • 16761828211
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    Originally posted by kuduzu View Post

    Any News about the client ? 3 Month Countdown.... Come along with solutions ! As i wrote in the german forum... stabilize the Client,look further in the future what will GameSamba do if 8K display are standard? No client for Linux...The Mac Client the same ! I´ve got a 4K display and have to switch the mode from 3840x 2160 to 1980x1020... Does GameSamba like to loose Power User? Dont want to earn money? Or is the politic to believe Incursion would solve this ralley? Believe me ... many European user`s won´t go with a more expensive game that has no language support in their home language ( it isn´t english) Time to realize the reality.. If GameSamba do nothing for us , we don´t let money in your pocket to keep you going on. Like to hear from you ...and be quick .. because YOU ARE OUR New support.. banning People from Forum is no solution ! Think of it . Best regards from Germany
    Mitchel / kuduzu S6 Umbriel (Germany)
    I have a 4k monitor and do not have to change anything to use the Mini Client, oh and 8k is already out, so your point is? As English is a standard language used worldwide, some would think its American, but really.

    Which Linus system would you make a client for? I could understand if you are talking Unix based system, but which one as they are not all the same, which will case some problems. Do you make it open source like most Unix based system, licence based or something else? I would love to see it on Ubuntu or some of the other well known and better systems, but which do you refer, and why should it be there?

    I personally do not play incursion myself, and I said from the start it would not replace this game. But we can see from the numbers that neither games are hits now because of the lack of movement. I want to see level 100 come, and it should have by now but it has not. You just like hundreds of others are not happy.

    As for banning people on the forum I will say this just the once. I love my job. I will ban spammers, rule breakers and those that abuse the company or other members of staff. I personally look at the rules and give those who break them a simple warning after that infractions are used. People have freedom of speech as long as it is within the law, and the rules of the forum. If you or others do not think those rules and laws apply then I think, as I am allowed to think it, should read the rules and work within them.

    Some of us have been working for more than 3 months trying to get things fixed, some of us have been working years to get things fixed, so 3 months is nothing. We have just a few months left before the end of the year so if they do nothing they lose 50% of their customers instantly, I think that is motivation enough.

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  • 45914879307
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    Originally posted by kuduzu View Post

    Any News about the client ? 3 Month Countdown.... Come along with solutions ! As i wrote in the german forum... stabilize the Client,look further in the future what will GameSamba do if 8K display are standard? No client for Linux...The Mac Client the same ! I´ve got a 4K display and have to switch the mode from 3840x 2160 to 1980x1020... Does GameSamba like to loose Power User? Dont want to earn money? Or is the politic to believe Incursion would solve this ralley? Believe me ... many European user`s won´t go with a more expensive game that has no language support in their home language ( it isn´t english) Time to realize the reality.. If GameSamba do nothing for us , we don´t let money in your pocket to keep you going on. Like to hear from you ...and be quick .. because YOU ARE OUR New support.. banning People from Forum is no solution ! Think of it . Best regards from Germany
    Mitchel / kuduzu S6 Umbriel (Germany)
    Mantis is not a paid moderator. People are banned from the forum for breaking forum rules and that is the only reason.

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  • kuduzu
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    Originally posted by 16761828211 View Post
    No there is no way to stop it. We are waiting for NGames to fix the issue
    Any News about the client ? 3 Month Countdown.... Come along with solutions ! As i wrote in the german forum... stabilize the Client,look further in the future what will GameSamba do if 8K display are standard? No client for Linux...The Mac Client the same ! I´ve got a 4K display and have to switch the mode from 3840x 2160 to 1980x1020... Does GameSamba like to loose Power User? Dont want to earn money? Or is the politic to believe Incursion would solve this ralley? Believe me ... many European user`s won´t go with a more expensive game that has no language support in their home language ( it isn´t english) Time to realize the reality.. If GameSamba do nothing for us , we don´t let money in your pocket to keep you going on. Like to hear from you ...and be quick .. because YOU ARE OUR New support.. banning People from Forum is no solution ! Think of it . Best regards from Germany
    Mitchel / kuduzu S6 Umbriel (Germany)

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